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<h4 class="graf graf--h4"><a class="markup--user markup--h4-user" href="https://medium.com/u/58eb39bab7ae" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://medium.com/u/58eb39bab7ae" data-anchor-type="2" data-user-id="58eb39bab7ae" data-action-value="58eb39bab7ae" data-action="show-user-card" data-action-type="hover">Adam Jackson</a> joins the show to share how user-owned networks will grow faster than investor-owned networks, and demystifies how Braintrust really works. Tune in to this episode as we also discuss the current nodes within Braintrust and what their role is, the network’s community-built features, advice on launching new tokens — and keeping things simple.</h4>


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<p class="graf graf--p">Adam Jackson founded Braintrust — the world’s first user-controlled talent platform — which aligns incentives, removes expensive middlemen and gives value and control back to talent and organizations. Prior to founding Braintrust, Adam co-founded Doctor on Demand, the popular video telemedicine provider, with daytime talk show personality Dr. Phil.</p>
<p class="graf graf--p">Other notable ventures include DriverSide, a marketplace that connects car owners with mechanics, which was acquired by Advance Auto Parts in September of 2011 and MarketSquare, the first online local shopping destination on the Internet which was acquired by Intuit in September of 2006. Adam is a passionate Angel investor in 100+ companies including LTSE, SuperHuman, Filecoin, Binance, BlockFi, Automatic, Apero Health, Zenefits, and more.</p>
<p class="graf graf--p">A full transcript of the episode can be found on our website:</p>
<h4 class="graf graf--h4"><strong class="markup--strong markup--h4-strong">Key highlights </strong></h4>
<p class="graf graf--p">We discussed:</p>
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<li class="graf graf--p">How the Braintrust model and its nodes work</li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Rewarding commercial nodes</li>
<li class="graf graf--p">The role of the non-profit foundation and association in the system</li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Maintaining the coherence of Braintrust</li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Investing in user-owned networks</li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Current experimentations in the token economy space</li>
<li class="graf graf--p">The societal impact of having a decentralized talent network</li>
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<h4 class="graf graf--h4"><strong class="markup--strong markup--h4-strong">To find out more about Adam’s work:</strong></h4>
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<li class="graf graf--p">LinkedIn: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajackson/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajackson/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajackson/</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Twitter: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://twitter.com/adamjacksonsf" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://twitter.com/adamjacksonsf">https://twitter.com/adamjacksonsf</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Website: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://www.usebraintrust.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://www.usebraintrust.com/">https://www.usebraintrust.com/</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Braintrust’s Discord Community: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://discord.gg/rgUS9aHFCB" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://discord.gg/rgUS9aHFCB">https://discord.gg/rgUS9aHFCB</a></li>
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<li class="graf graf--p">Showing the way with Web3 Marketplaces: Braintrust — with Gabriel Luna-Ostaseski: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://boundaryless.io/podcast/braintrust/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://boundaryless.io/podcast/braintrust/">https://boundaryless.io/podcast/braintrust/</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Braintrust: Fighting Capitalism with Capitalism, Not Boring with Packy McCormick <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://www.notboring.co/p/braintrust-fighting-capitalism-with?s=r&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://www.notboring.co/p/braintrust-fighting-capitalism-with?s=r&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web">https://www.notboring.co/p/braintrust-fighting-capitalism-with?s=r&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Deep dive on the Fee Converter <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://medium.com/snowfork/introducing-the-braintrust-fee-converter-21be7c8af951" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener" data-href="https://medium.com/snowfork/introducing-the-braintrust-fee-converter-21be7c8af951">https://medium.com/snowfork/introducing-the-braintrust-fee-converter-21be7c8af951</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Braintrust Academy: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://academy.usebraintrust.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://academy.usebraintrust.com/">https://academy.usebraintrust.com/</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Kunai commercial node: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://www.usebraintrust.com/blog/new-node-addition-kunai" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://www.usebraintrust.com/blog/new-node-addition-kunai">https://www.usebraintrust.com/blog/new-node-addition-kunai</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Braintrust Etherscan: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://etherscan.io/address/0x799ebfabe77a6e34311eeee9825190b9ece32824" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://etherscan.io/address/0x799ebfabe77a6e34311eeee9825190b9ece32824">https://etherscan.io/address/0x799ebfabe77a6e34311eeee9825190b9ece32824</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Vitalik on quadratic voting: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://vitalik.ca/general/2019/12/07/quadratic.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://vitalik.ca/general/2019/12/07/quadratic.html">https://vitalik.ca/general/2019/12/07/quadratic.html</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">GetCoins: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://getcoins.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://getcoins.com/">https://getcoins.com/</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">100m $ investment round: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://www.usebraintrust.com/blog/-100m-btrst-purchase" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://www.usebraintrust.com/blog/-100m-btrst-purchase">https://www.usebraintrust.com/blog/-100m-btrst-purchase</a></li>
<li class="graf graf--p">Dimo: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://dimo.zone/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://dimo.zone/">https://dimo.zone</a></li>
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<p class="graf graf--p">Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/">https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/</a></p>
<p class="graf graf--p">Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: <a class="markup--anchor markup--p-anchor" href="https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-href="https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music">https://boundaryless.io/podcast-music</a></p>
<p class="graf graf--p">Recorded on 23 March 2022.</p>
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<p>In this closing episode of Season 2, <a class="hh aw hi" href="https://medium.com/u/8bd20f383de4?source=post_page-----99d03bdc9e6c--------------------------------" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Tim O&#8217;Reilly</a> talks about what we can learn from the Golden Age of the Internet. As the software industry is becoming more at the heart of everything in society, Tim reminds us that we need to create systems that enable more value than they capture.</p>


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<p id="e531" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">If you’ve heard any of the terms <em>“open source software”</em>,<em> “web 2.0”</em>, or<em> “government as a platform”</em>, you’ll be familiar with today’s guest — Tim O’Reilly — who has helped popularise these big ideas.</p>
<p id="40b1" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Tim is the founder, CEO, and Chairman of O’Reilly Media, the company that has been providing the picks and shovels of learning to the Silicon Valley gold rush for the past 35 years. The company’s online learning and knowledge-on-demand platform at oreilly.com is used by thousands of enterprises and millions of individuals worldwide, and has a long history of convening conversations that reshape the computer industry. Tim is also a partner at early-stage venture firm O’Reilly AlphaTech Ventures and on the board of Code for America. He is the author of many technical books published by O’Reilly Media, and most recently ‘WTF?: What’s the Future and Why It’s Up to Us’.</p>
<p id="0005" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">He is a visiting professor of practice at the Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose at University College London, headed by Mariana Mazzucato — mentioned more than once in this conversation — and is working on a new book about why we need to rethink antitrust in the era of internet-scale platforms.</p>
<p id="b1de" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">In today’s episode, which is the Grand Finale for this season, we explore the future of internet-enabled organizations, and how to think about value creation and regulation of these tech-companies. Listen on to find out what we can learn from the Golden Age of the internet, how platforms like Google and Amazon have lost their way over the years — and are now breeding their own competition — and what Tim thinks about Government-funded innovations. As the software industry is becoming more at the heart of everything in society, we need to create systems that enable more value than they capture.</p>
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<p id="4e30" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">After Tim’s final words, we bring a brief wrap-up of Season 2 and let you know the next plans for Boundaryless research activities. It’s been quite a ride this season too, and we are so grateful for both our loyal listeners and every guest who are pushing the boundaries of the future of organizing.</p>
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<p id="50cb" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph=""><strong class="ky lq">To find out more about Tim’s work:</strong></p>
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<li id="84e5" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">Website: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.oreilly.com/" rel="noopener">https://www.oreilly.com/</a></li>
<li id="7609" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">LinkedIn: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/timo3" rel="noopener">https://www.linkedin.com/in/timo3</a></li>
<li id="ba90" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">Twitter: <a class="cd lr" href="https://twitter.com/timoreilly" rel="noopener">https://twitter.com/timoreilly</a></li>
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<p id="0565" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph=""><strong class="ky lq">Other references and mentions:</strong></p>
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<li id="0b23" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">Brad Stone, <em class="fl">Amazon Unbound</em>, 2021: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amazon-Unbound-Brad-Stone/dp/1398500968" rel="noopener">https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amazon-Unbound-Brad-Stone/dp/1398500968</a></li>
<li id="a8e6" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">Tim O’Reilly, ‘The End of Silicon Valley as We Know It?’, 2021: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-end-of-silicon-valley-as-we-know-it/" rel="noopener">https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-end-of-silicon-valley-as-we-know-it/</a></li>
<li id="4e38" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">Tim O’Reilly, ‘Why Elon Musk Is So Rich?’<em class="fl">, </em>2021: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.oreilly.com/radar/why-elon-musk-is-so-rich/" rel="noopener">https://www.oreilly.com/radar/why-elon-musk-is-so-rich/</a></li>
<li id="52df" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">Tim O’Reilly, <em class="fl">WTF?: What’s the Future and Why It’s Up to Us</em>, 2017, <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/WTF-Whats-Future-Why-Its/dp/0062565710/" rel="noopener">https://www.amazon.co.uk/WTF-Whats-Future-Why-Its/dp/0062565710/</a></li>
<li id="37f1" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">Adam Smith, <em class="fl">Supermoney</em>, 1972: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Supermoney-Wiley-Investment-Classics-Smith/dp/0471786314/r" rel="noopener">https://www.amazon.co.uk/Supermoney-Wiley-Investment-Classics-Smith/dp/0471786314/r</a></li>
<li id="94ba" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">Time O’Reilly, ‘The End of Silicon Valley as We Know It?’, 2021: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-end-of-silicon-valley-as-we-know-it/" rel="noopener">https://www.oreilly.com/radar/the-end-of-silicon-valley-as-we-know-it/</a></li>
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<p id="f520" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at <a href="https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/">https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/</a></p>
<p id="bfcb" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:<a class="cd lr" href="http://www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music" rel="noopener"> www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music</a></p>
<p id="a8b6" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Recorded on 24 June 2021.</p>
<h1 id="05ba" class="ju jv fl as jw jx ls jz ka kb lt kd ke kf lu kh ki kj lv kl km kn lw kp kq kr cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Key Insights</h1>
<p id="02c5" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">1. Tim says that some companies he used to admire, like Amazon and Google, are “losing their way” as they fail to recognize what made them succeed in the first place as aggregators of collective intelligence, supporting users to find the best organic search results based on their need (vs paid-for ads). With insufficient concern for the supply side on the platforms, they are effectively breeding their own competition, as supply goes somewhere else. Instead, you have a lot to win by focussing on suppliers as well as users: as Tim points out “if you got that double flywheel going, it’s a lot stronger than if you just have a user-centered flywheel”.</p>
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<li id="483f" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr"> Around <a class="cd lr" href="https://soundcloud.com/boundaryless-pdt/s2-ep-21-tim-oreilly-how-software-is-infusing-the-world-and-what-it-means/s-AVRVEAZAQ5k#t=9:21" rel="noopener">min 9:21</a> Tim O’Reilly describes how his own company is seeking to enable more value than they capture.</li>
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<p id="5e4a" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">2. As tech giants are effectively becoming central planners of the Internet, a big difference from industrial planned economies is that they manage consumption rather than production. In this context, governments must seize the opportunity to shape demand and desirable outcomes, more than interfering in the details of how companies are run. In Tim’s own words: “what we don’t want is for the government to be writing Facebook’s algorithms. We want the government to say, we want to hold you to account for the outcomes of your algorithms”. This requires us to consider what a “good outcome” is and to rethink our traditional obsession with economic efficiency. We can already see this market-shaping by governments happening, for example with new “climate millionaires” like Elon Musk initially sponsored by the government, or in the development of new vaccines.</p>
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<li id="69b3" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">Listen to the discussion around the role of regulation in the platform economy around <a class="cd lr" href="https://soundcloud.com/boundaryless-pdt/s2-ep-21-tim-oreilly-how-software-is-infusing-the-world-and-what-it-means/s-AVRVEAZAQ5k#t=27:47" rel="noopener">min 27:47</a></li>
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<p id="5e18" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">3. As a final reflection, Tim shared his current points of attention around algorithms in economics. One key piece to that is to better understand rents, in terms of the ability of people to get an unearned income of various kinds, in the online economy. Rents create asymmetries of power and — albeit often poorly cited — when Adam Smith once talked about free markets, he was referring to markets free of rent rather than free of government intervention. So, for any player with enormous algorithmic power, the invitation is to “regulate themselves better” and use their power to make the market freer, not to make it subject to them, unlike the direction taken by many of the dominating players today.</p>
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<li id="3d50" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr">Capture Tim’s final reflections on his latest work on algorithms and rent around <a class="cd lr" href="https://soundcloud.com/boundaryless-pdt/s2-ep-21-tim-oreilly-how-software-is-infusing-the-world-and-what-it-means/s-AVRVEAZAQ5k#t=48:41" rel="noopener">min 48:41</a>.</li>
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How Software is Infusing the World and What it Means — with Tim O’Reilly


<p><a href="https://medium.com/u/6d42133e3ebb?source=post_page-----5a2f233b9d23--------------------------------" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Nora Bateson</a> joins us for an earnest conversation where we delve into invisible assumptions, entanglement, and trans-contextual organizing. Together we explore what embracing a complexity standpoint truly means for an organization and for the relationships taking place within it and between that and other organizations.</p>


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<p id="68bf" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph=""><strong>Nora Bateson</strong> is an award-winning filmmaker, writer, facilitator and educator, as well as <strong>President of the International Bateson Institute based in Sweden</strong>. Her work asks the question <em>“how can we improve our perception of the complexity we live within, so we may improve our interaction with the world?”</em>. Nora wrote, directed and produced the award-winning documentary, <em>‘An Ecology of Mind’</em>, a portrait of her father, Gregory Bateson.</p>
<p id="6556" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Her work brings the fields of biology, cognition, art, anthropology, psychology, and information technology together into a study of the patterns in ecology of living systems. Her book, ‘Small Arcs of Larger Circles’ is a revolutionary personal approach to the study of systems and complexity, and the core text of the Harvard University LILA program 2017–18. Her new book, ‘Warm Data’, will be released in 2020 by Triarchy Press.</p>
<p id="0b4e" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Tune in to your conversation with Nora as we dive deeper into systemic accountability, “Warm Data” practices, and the power of context.</p>
<p id="4ae7" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph=""><strong class="ks lk">To find out more about Nora’s work:</strong></p>
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<li id="f3a9" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">Website:<a class="cd ll" href="https://norabateson.wordpress.com/" rel="noopener">https://norabateson.wordpress.com/</a></li>
<li id="69ec" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">Twitter: <a class="cd ll" href="https://twitter.com/NoraBateson" rel="noopener">https://twitter.com/NoraBateson</a></li>
<li id="3aba" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">Medium: <a class="cd ll" href="https://norabateson.medium.com/" rel="noopener">https://norabateson.medium.com/</a></li>
<li id="ba99" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">WordPress: <a class="cd ll" href="https://norabateson.wordpress.com/" rel="noopener">https://norabateson.wordpress.com/</a></li>
<li id="5162" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">The International Bateson Institute: <a class="cd ll" href="https://batesoninstitute.org/" rel="noopener">https://batesoninstitute.org/</a></li>
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<p id="7be5" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph=""><strong class="ks lk">Other references and mentions:</strong></p>
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<li id="76a2" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">Nora Bateson, <em class="fl">Small Arcs of Larger Circles: Framing Through Other Patterns</em>, 2016: <a class="cd ll" href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Small-Arcs-Larger-Circles-Patterns/dp/1909470961" rel="noopener">https://www.amazon.co.uk/Small-Arcs-Larger-Circles-Patterns/dp/1909470961</a></li>
<li id="e5cc" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">Organizations as Architectures for Complexity — with Joe Norman: <a class="cd ll" href="https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/organizations-as-architectures-for-complexity-with-joe-norman-5eebf5d1362e" rel="noopener">https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/organizations-as-architectures-for-complexity-with-joe-norman-5eebf5d1362e</a></li>
<li id="defe" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">Joe Norman, “Generating wholes”: <a class="cd ll" href="http://jwnorman.com/?p=4948" rel="noopener">http://jwnorman.com/?p=4948</a></li>
<li id="5980" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">Boundaryless Whitepaper, New Foundations of Platform-Ecosystem Thinking — Designing Products and Organizations for a changing world,<a class="cd ll" href="https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/DOWNLOAD-NF" rel="noopener"> 2020: https://platformdesigntoolkit.com/DOWNLOAD-NF</a></li>
<li id="7371" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">Transition Network: <a class="cd ll" href="https://transitionnetwork.org/" rel="noopener">https://transitionnetwork.org/</a></li>
<li id="b006" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">Warm Data Lab: <a class="cd ll" href="https://warmdatalab.net/" rel="noopener">https://warmdatalab.net/</a></li>
<li id="03cd" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr">Warm Data Podcast: <a class="cd ll" href="https://www.warmdatapodcast.com/" rel="noopener">https://www.warmdatapodcast.com/</a></li>
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<p id="7530" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at <a href="https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/">https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/</a></p>
<p id="29a6" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here:<a class="cd ll" href="http://www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music" rel="noopener"> www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music</a></p>
<p id="4e74" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Recorded on 12 March 2021.</p>
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<p id="a30e" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">1. Systemic accountability does away with the idea of discrete edges of an organization. Looking at organizing as a living system, whatever that aspect of it, Nora explains that it’s never only “that” [aspect], there is always more. She highlights that: “if we want to think about what an organization looks like, in a way that deals with complexity, it is something that is going to absorb and respond — and be sensitive in its response — to a completely different order of integrity, generosity, and accountability”. Right now, she claims, the way in which organizations are forming discrete edges around themselves protects them from shared integrity.</p>
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<li id="f50f" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr"> Listen to Nora talk about systemic accountability and shared integrity from <a class="cd ll" href="https://soundcloud.com/boundaryless-pdt/s2-ep-13-norah-bateson-trans-contextual-organizing-shifting-perceptions/s-dqs5ikOaxge#t=8:10" rel="noopener">min 08:10</a>.</li>
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<p id="3e8b" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">2. The journey towards more shared integrity happens in relationships. Nora points out that, although we have been trained to think that our accomplishments are our own, these assumptions and existing organizational concepts have also been produced in relationships. When you start to question them, you realize that nothing is purely “our own”. According to Nora, some of the questions to ask are: “what are you tending to? What are you taking care of? What are you nurturing and bringing vitality to?”</p>
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<li id="0b5b" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr"> Listen to how we evolve in relationships from <a class="cd ll" href="https://soundcloud.com/boundaryless-pdt/s2-ep-13-norah-bateson-trans-contextual-organizing-shifting-perceptions/s-dqs5ikOaxge#t=23:11" rel="noopener">min 23:11</a>.</li>
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<p id="d511" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">3. Changing the structure of an organization is not going to generate any big changes. What we really need to delve into are questions related to culture, entanglement, perception, and epistemology. By changing our perception — for example, through Warm Data practices and trans-contextual understanding — we can generate attention to second-, third- and fourth-order relational processes, from which structures can really change. In the words of Nora: “you create the context where epistemologies and ways of perceiving shift, and then the structures change”.</p>
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<li id="c14e" class="kp kq kr ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr"> Listen to the discussion around culture, entanglement, warm data and trans-contexutality from <a class="cd ll" href="https://soundcloud.com/boundaryless-pdt/s2-ep-13-norah-bateson-trans-contextual-organizing-shifting-perceptions/s-dqs5ikOaxge#t=31:23" rel="noopener">min 31:23</a> and onwards.</li>
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<p id="7976" class="kp kq fl ks b gr kt jt ku gu kv jx kw kx ky kz la lb lc ld le lf lg lh li lj fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">This podcast is also available on <a class="cd ll" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-boundaryless-conversations-podcast/id1505530552" rel="noopener">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a class="cd ll" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5TFF8qgtS1IKMxCEhh3yGU" rel="noopener">Spotify</a>, <a class="cd ll" href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkLnBvZGJlYW4uY29tL2JvdW5kYXJ5bGVzcy9mZWVkLnhtbA&amp;ep=14" rel="noopener">Google Podcasts</a>, <a class="cd ll" href="https://soundcloud.com/boundaryless-pdt/sets/boundaryless-conversations" rel="noopener">Soundcloud</a>, <a class="cd ll" href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/boundaryless-conversations-podcast" rel="noopener">Stitcher</a>, <a class="cd ll" href="https://castbox.fm/channel/id2725503?country=gb" rel="noopener">CastBox</a>, <a class="cd ll" href="https://radiopublic.com/the-boundaryless-conversations-po-G4QrOd" rel="noopener">RadioPublic</a>, and other major podcasting platforms.</p>
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Trans-contextual Organizing: Shifting Perceptions — with Nora Bateson


<p><a href="https://medium.com/u/b29cb8a5ba65?source=post_page-----88ef04b7fadb--------------------------------" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Dave Snowden</a> helps us unpack ideas around the next generation of organizational design that enables “contextually unique solutions to emerge and adapt based on a coherent whole”. We go into what contextually unique solutions mean for the shape of organizations, and what type of leadership is needed to deal with uncertainty while shaping and making visible the coherent whole.</p>


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<p id="93b3" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Today we’re talking to Professor Dave Snowden, the Founder and Chief Scientific Officer at Cognitive Edge and Director of the Cynefin Centre Wales. His internationally acclaimed work covers government and industry, and looks at the complex issues of strategy, organisational development and decision making. He has pioneered a science-based approach to organizations drawing on anthropology, neuroscience, and complex adaptive systems theory. He is a popular and passionate keynote speaker on a range of subjects, and is well-known for his pragmatic cynicism and iconoclastic style.</p>
<p id="ec10" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Dave holds visiting Chairs at the University of Pretoria and Hong Kong Polytechnic University, as well as a visiting fellowship at the University of Warwick. He is a senior fellow at the Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies at Nanyang University and the Civil Service College in Singapore.</p>
<p id="afd4" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">In this conversation, we start by exploring a frequently used idea and quote from Dave in our emerging work on organizational design, namely that the “next generation of organizational design is about contextually unique solutions to emerge and adapt based on a coherent whole”.</p>
<p id="a5cc" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">We then go more specifically into what having context-specific solutions means, and talk about the need to build systems which do not assume that you create a rational objective human being, but which work more in tune with ideas of diversity within constraints, like in nature.</p>
<p id="ed3f" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Dave talks about the importance, especially for entrepreneurial organisations, to build internal scaffolding — a sort of endoskeleton that empowers the organization to grow and adapt more easily in a complex and rapidly changing world, compared to external scaffolding which gives a more rigid structure that could be more apt in times of temporary crisis management, for instance.</p>
<p id="190e" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">He also describes how, in the current nexus moment, experimenting novel forms of widely distributed citizen engagement in problem solving will be needed to face the challenges ahead, in terms of economic depression and massive unemployment. And we need to learn to become more “virtuous” in the process.</p>
<p id="fb72" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">This process will be highly collaborative and collective. According to Dave Snowden, as we move ahead in this challenging start of the century, “the capacity to manage with uncertainty is going to be something we need to build communities around”.</p>
<p id="4406" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph=""><strong class="ky lq">To find out more about Dave’s work:</strong></p>
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<li id="8b9b" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr"> Website: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.cognitive-edge.com/" rel="noopener">https://www.cognitive-edge.com/</a></li>
<li id="c324" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr"> Youtube: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.youtube.com/user/CognitiveEdge" rel="noopener">https://www.youtube.com/user/CognitiveEdge</a></li>
<li id="571e" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr"> Twitter: <a class="cd lr" href="https://twitter.com/snowded" rel="noopener">https://twitter.com/snowded</a></li>
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<p id="37db" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph=""><strong class="ky lq">Other references and mentions:</strong></p>
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<li id="32de" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr"> Dave Snowden, Zhen Goh, Sue Borchardt, Riva Greenberg, Boudewijn Bertsch, Sonja Blignaut, <em class="fl">Cynefin: Weaving Sense-Making into the Fabric of Our World</em>, 2020: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cynefin-Weaving-Sense-Making-Fabric-World-ebook/dp/B08LZKDCYM" rel="noopener">https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cynefin-Weaving-Sense-Making-Fabric-World-ebook/dp/B08LZKDCYM</a></li>
<li id="8ca8" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr"> The Cynefin framework: <a class="cd lr" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynefin_framework" rel="noopener">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynefin_framework</a></li>
<li class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr"> Embeddedness: Exploring the Roots of the Eastern idea of Organizing — with Alicia Hennig: <a class="cd lr" href="https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/embeddedness-exploring-the-roots-of-the-eastern-idea-of-organizing-with-alicia-hennig-62cbb75fce0f" rel="noopener">https://stories.platformdesigntoolkit.com/embeddedness-exploring-the-roots-of-the-eastern-idea-of-organizing-with-alicia-hennig-62cbb75fce0f</a></li>
<li id="f0a2" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr"> Terry Eagleton, <em class="fl">Radical Sacrifice</em>, 2018: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Sacrifice-Terry-Eagleton/dp/0300233353" rel="noopener">https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Sacrifice-Terry-Eagleton/dp/0300233353</a></li>
<li id="5d07" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr"> Terry Eagleton, <em class="fl">Hope Without Optimism</em>, 2019: <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.amazon.com/Hope-Without-Optimism-Terry-Eagleton/dp/0300248679/" rel="noopener">https://www.amazon.com/Hope-Without-Optimism-Terry-Eagleton/dp/0300248679/</a></li>
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<p id="4f91" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at: <a href="https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/">https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/</a></p>
<p id="05b2" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio. Find his portfolio here: <a class="cd lr" href="http://www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music" rel="noopener">www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music</a></p>
<p id="98d9" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">Recorded on 26 October 2020.</p>
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<p id="95a7" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">1. One of the key components of building complexity-friendly and adaptive organizations is “scaffolding”: internal and external. While external scaffolding can be thought of as a rigid structure — an exoskeleton — that doesn’t allow for scaling, internal scaffolding is one that allows for growth and diversity to emerge on top of its initial structure, like a human skeleton. This is more apt for entrepreneurial organizations that need to adapt swiftly to changing circumstances.</p>
<p id="966c" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">2. Leadership and hierarchy that is tailored around exchangeable roles rather than individuals imply collective leadership through crews instead of individual leaders. And when it comes to bringing the whole organization along and foster coherence, as Dave puts it: “a lot of our work around leadership is finding naturally occurring heuristics, clustering them, articulating them, linking with teaching stories, making sure they’re verifiable, and using those as a linkage constraint within the system to get alignment”.</p>
<p id="6c69" class="kv kw kx ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">3. In the current “ nexus moment”, things could turn either better or get significantly worse. People, therefore, need to be educated around virtue ethics: we need to build distributed education around both being virtuous and being able to deal with uncertainty, since the future is going to be messy. Ontological frameworks like Cynefin — which celebrates 21 years in 2020 — have proven to be powerful as a means to teach and guide our relationship with uncertainty.</p>
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<p id="f7e5" class="kv kw fl ky b gr kz jz la gu lb kd lc ld le lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp fd cr" data-selectable-paragraph="">This podcast is also available on <a class="cd lr" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-boundaryless-conversations-podcast/id1505530552" rel="noopener">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a class="cd lr" href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5TFF8qgtS1IKMxCEhh3yGU" rel="noopener">Spotify</a>, <a class="cd lr" href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkLnBvZGJlYW4uY29tL2JvdW5kYXJ5bGVzcy9mZWVkLnhtbA&amp;ep=14" rel="noopener">Google Podcasts</a>, <a class="cd lr" href="https://soundcloud.com/boundaryless-pdt/sets/boundaryless-conversations" rel="noopener">Soundcloud</a>, <a class="cd lr" href="https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/boundaryless-conversations-podcast" rel="noopener">Stitcher</a>, <a class="cd lr" href="https://castbox.fm/channel/id2725503?country=gb" rel="noopener">CastBox</a>, <a class="cd lr" href="https://radiopublic.com/the-boundaryless-conversations-po-G4QrOd" rel="noopener">RadioPublic</a>, and other major podcasting platforms.</p>
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Building Scalable Organizations that can Deal with Uncertainty — with Dave Snowden


<p>Alex Osterwalder talks about why, in the furiously changing world of today, innovation portfolio management is a must, as well as transforming innovation into a pervasive process inside the organization. Together with Bill Fischer, we ponder several ways to do this, looking into both the present and the future.</p>


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<p id="2dd8" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">In this episode, <strong>Simone Cicero</strong> is joined by a special co-host and former guest on the podcast — <strong>Bill Fischer</strong> — Professor of Innovation Management at IMD Business School in Lausanne.</p>
<p id="6a8e" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">Together they pick the brain of nobody less than <strong>Alex Osterwalder</strong>, whose work continues to influence the way established companies do business innovation and how new ventures get started. The inventor of the Business Model Canvas, Value Proposition Canvas, and Business Portfolio Map together with Yves Pigneur, Alex just released a new book called <em class="fp">The Invincible Company</em>, whose ideas are mentioned throughout the conversation.</p>
<p id="d5bf" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">Alex talks about why, in the furiously changing world of today, innovation portfolio management is a must, as well as transforming innovation into a pervasive process inside the organization: we also debate a lot on the several ways to do it.</p>
<p id="3aba" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">We also talk about the responsibility of companies to become great workplaces — being able to keep and reallocate talent across business units — and serve society beyond shareholder interests. Enjoy this jam full episode!</p>
<p id="5eff" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">Here are some important links from the conversation:</p>
<p id="c826" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">About Alex Osterwalder and his work:</p>
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<li id="f42d" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx">Alexander Osterwalder, Yves Pigneur, Alan Smith, Frederic Etiemble, <em class="fp">The Invincible Company</em>: <a class="cd lv" href="https://www.amazon.com/Invincible-Company-Alexander-Osterwalder/dp/1119523966" rel="noopener">https://www.amazon.com/Invincible-Company-Alexander-Osterwalder/dp/1119523966</a></li>
<li id="ca2c" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx">Strategyzer: <a class="cd lv" href="https://www.strategyzer.com/" rel="noopener">https://www.strategyzer.com/</a></li>
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<p id="70c3" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">Other mentions and references:</p>
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<li id="41cf" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx">Rita McGrath, “Transient Advantage”, HBR, 06/2013: <a class="cd lv" href="https://hbr.org/2013/06/transient-advantage" rel="noopener">https://hbr.org/2013/06/transient-advantage</a></li>
<li id="8fa9" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx">Scott Anthony, “Breaking down the barriers to innovation”, HBR, 11/2019: <a class="cd lv" href="https://hbr.org/2019/11/breaking-down-the-barriers-to-innovation" rel="noopener">https://hbr.org/2019/11/breaking-down-the-barriers-to-innovation</a></li>
<li id="7906" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx">Rita McGrath, Seeing around Corners, interview with Aperture: <a class="cd lv" href="https://medium.com/aperture-hub/seeing-around-corners-19-ec64b2260337" rel="noopener">https://medium.com/aperture-hub/seeing-around-corners-19-ec64b2260337</a></li>
<li id="90fd" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx">All Things Marketplaces with Dan Hockenmaier, Casey Winters, and Lenny Rachitsky, Village Global’s Venture Stories: <a class="cd lv" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/all-things-marketplaces-dan-hockenmaier-casey-winters/id1316769266?i=1000467536947" rel="noopener">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/all-things-marketplaces-dan-hockenmaier-casey-winters/id1316769266?i=1000467536947</a></li>
<li id="e1bf" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx">Companies mentioned in the conversation: Amazon, Ping An, W.L. Gore, Logitech, Kodak, Haier</li>
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<p id="fe0b" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">Find out more about the show and the research at Boundaryless at: <a href="https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/">https://boundaryless.io/resources/podcast/</a></p>
<p id="4b1c" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">Thanks for the ad-hoc music to Liosound / Walter Mobilio find his portfolio here: <a class="cd lv" href="http://www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music" rel="noopener">www.platformdesigntoolkit.com/music</a></p>
<p id="62ac" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">Recorded on May 11th 2020</p>
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<h1 id="d18a" class="md kh fp as ki me mf ld kl mg mh lg ko mi mj mk kq ml mm mn ks mo mp mq ku mr bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">Key Insights</h1>
<p id="000f" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph=""><strong class="lb ms">1. Portfolio management — a key idea explored in Alex’s new book <em class="fp">The Invincible Company</em> — includes two main portfolio types: one to explore future directions and one to exploit and execute ideas in the present</strong>. What most organisations still need to figure out is how to empower people to innovate and create legitimate spaces in the organisation to explore new ideas on the one hand, and on the other hand having a process to sort out the ideas that get traction and incorporate them into the execution part of the business. The right level of integration between these two functions is the sweet spot that many companies still are trying to find. Like Alex says: “<em class="fp">It’s about creating that giant incubator, that little Silicon Valley within, and at the same time being world class at execution</em>”. Leaders, in the portfolio management context, need to provide “portfolio guidance”, a mix between art and science, where you’re constantly testing and adapting your ideas until it really makes sense.<br />
In this process the role of distributed profit and loss and the idea to transform the organization in a dynamic entrepreneurial network migh constitute the next big shift out of bureaucratic thinking.</p>
<p id="2614" class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">2. Related to portfolio management, there are different types of innovation that need to be in the mix: efficiency-innovation making business models and processes better, sustaining innovation, which is expanding about expanding existing business model with new value propositions, and more transformative innovation, inventing the future and creating entire new P&amp;L or growth engines (think Amazon’s AWS). In order to unleash the potential of these levers, Alex ponders on the need to remove “innovation blockers”, like for example ex ante business plans through up on PPTs and spreadsheets.</p>
<p class="ky kz la lb b gv lc ld le gy lf lg lh li lj lk ll lm ln lo lp lq lr ls lt lu fh bx" data-selectable-paragraph="">3. While transformative innovation enabled through the organization can radically disrupt its structure, it does not need to cannibalise it and get rid of the people who have dedicated their careers to the “execution” side of the company. Instead, a more dynamic model is needed where talent is re-allocated across business units as the organisation evolves. Indeed, creating great workplaces that enable people to be their best — and to subscribe to the company&#8217;s wider purpose in society — is becoming an essential “layer”, following Alex’s words, building on top of user experience and growth.</p>
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